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St. Peter and St. Paul Church, Alta Loma

Name of Church St. Peter and St. Paul Church
Address 9135 Banyan Street, Alta Loma CA 91737
Phone number (909) 987-9312
Mass times Saturday vigil, 4 p.m. Sundays, 7:30 a.m., 9 a.m., 11 a.m., 1 p.m. (Spanish) & 5 p.m. Monday through Friday, 7:30 a.m. 1st Saturday Mass, 7:30 a.m.
Confessions Saturday, 8 a.m. or by appointment.
Names of priests Father Patrick Kirsch, outgoing pastor. Father Kirsch is a solid pastor who, after serving the community for a decade, is leaving the parish for another assignment. Due to the priest shortage in the area, he will not be replaced with a pastor, but by a lay pastoral coordinator (the layman coming in, Michael Donaldson, is known to be prayerful and orthodox); two priests in residence will celebrate Mass and hear confessions, Father Jose Jaramillo and Father Cyriacus Ogu, a Nigerian priest.
Special groups/activities Adoration Wednesdays, 8 a.m. – 8 p.m. and on Fridays, Respect Life Ministry, St. Joseph’s Covenant Keepers, various Bible studies, Rosary prayer group, Catholic daughters, World Apostolate of Fatima, Edge (a youth ministry)
Music Cantors and choirs, depends on the Mass.
School Yes, currently pre-K through 4th grade. The school grows as the student body does.
Fellow parishioners Anglo, Hispanic, some Filipinos.
Parking Ample space.
Acoustics You’ll hear best if you arrive early and sit in the front.
Additional observations St. Peter and St. Paul is a parish of the diocese of San Bernardino established in 1970. It’s a solid parish, orthodox and prayerful. Like many of the parishes in the diocese, however, it is losing its resident pastor due to a lack of priests. The incoming lay coordinator will help keep the parish functioning, as the community prays for more priests. The building itself is of a more modern design and has some nice elements, such as its artwork.


Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 2:04 AM By Central Valley
Priests are available and willing to travel. Have the bishop call Fr Berg FSSP or the institute of Christ the King or Opus Dei.

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 5:52 AM By St. Christopher
Good to have a Nigerian priest. Too bad, no TLM (but there is the faithful Spanish Mass). Yes, another "too bad" that the priest is leaving, but that is the way the Vatican II "implementers" wanted it -- few if any clergy. Just look at the Dutch, Austrian and German "demands" to let laity virtually conduct the masses. Be happy, VII cognoscenti, your Day is at hand! And, soon, the pew-going (and non-kneeling) "Catholics" will be none the wiser, given their complete lack of knowledge of anything about the Church, except post-Vatican II. This is pretty much the end, coming. Yet, there will be remnant of faithful and knowledgeable Catholics left somewhere, that is what the Holy Ghost protects. Going to Mass in one of these Churches in CA (and now throughout the USA, including Richmond, VA) is getting curiouser and curiouser. It is always a chuckle when a seemingly good bishop, such as B. Morlino of Madison, WI, tries to invoke even a mild return to tradition, there is a public outcry (what, no altar girls! Strict Spanish-born priests that say the Latin Mass, and pray Ad Orientum -- the horror, the horror!).

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 8:29 AM By JimAroo
Two priests in residence? But there is no priest to provide leadership? I think these kind of diocesan decisions are driven by an agenda not a true need. Dear bishop, get more priests from Nigeria!

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 1:04 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Jim Aroo, You hit the NAIL ON THE HEAD! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 1:40 PM By Seraph
The exteroir of the parish looks like a prison or spaceship. The tabernacle is hideous. If Fr. Kirsch was so solid, why din't he improve aesthetics of the parish? Implement beauty and tradition? Why is there even a need for a lay coordinator? They have two new priests coming in to the parish. Can't they get a priest to be pastor?

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 3:02 PM By JLS
Not sure exactly the arguments (ie, k, the pros and cons) of this where the parish is administered by a layman or lay woman, and where the Sacraments and teaching are ministered by a priest. Notice I used two similar words, purposefully, "administer" and "minister": A high ranking Vatican cardinal recently advised the bishops to stop administrating and start bishoping. St Augustine transitioned to having lay men take over some aspects of running a parish, leaving the priests to do the religious activities. The Book of Acts shows that some local communities, ie parishes, were set up this way. Get the priests away from the money flow; maybe this will make them ornery and then they'll spend more time and focus on religious matters, instead of behaving like used car salesmen and con artists. After all, the seminaries do not run classes on how to sell politics and programs ... or do they?

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 3:21 PM By Bob One
Getting more priest from Nigeria, Korea, etc. will not solve the problem. Most of these priests need five or more years just to understand the American culture. They do not come from a culture where the laity is very much involved. They, like most of the U.S. priests have never been trained in small group dynamics, counseling, working with youth, helping people going through divorce, strategic planning, community relations, etc. Just because a person is ordained doesn't make them a candidate for Pastor. They may be excellent at saying the Mass, Baptising, etc., but that is not pastoring or leadership. That takes special training. What we need is a bunch of Bishops that can make the priesthood so compelling that men would rather do that than take up a secular vocation/career.

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 5:18 PM By max
SERAPH ----the church looks like a simple desert mission style building, and the tabernacle looks like it is surrounded by, if you will SERAPHIM, kneeling in adoration. hard to tell from the pic, but it looks reverent and glowing to me. they also have EUCHARISTIC ADORATION twice a week, according to their website.

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 5:21 PM By JLS
There it is, the Bob One religion revealed: Culture.

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 6:41 PM By Canisius
St. Christopher, you are so right this reign of novelty and terror is coming to and end, the Remnant of us Faithful will carry the Church forward

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 11:44 PM By Clinton
Another illustration of the failings of the "spirit of Vatican II". The modernism that has taken root in the Church has led to the watering down of the priesthood. Since Novus Ordo priests are dwindling, hopefully the future of the priesthood will be traditional minded men who will bring back the timeless beauty and reverence of the Tridentine Mass, in addition to restoring true Catholic values and a love of holiness.

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:55 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
If I remember correctly the Bishop of San Bernadino has spoken in favor of lay administered parishes, so why would he even consider inviting foreign good priest in! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:40 AM By MacDonald
Having lay people "administer" a parish does not frighten me, as long as the priest still has control to keep the parish from becoming Protestant (e.g., we'll decide to ignore the Church's teaching on __ after taking a vote). I know a very fine Syro-Malabar Rite priest from Kerala who tells me that back home the lay people "run" the parish in many ways, thus freeing him up to be a true priest: when a new hall needs to be built, they raise the funds and take care of it. In this country, our priests are asked to take care of so much red tape, its demoralizes them and takes them away from true priestly ministry such as visiting the sick, teaching, preaching, counseling the beareved, etc. This is why many priests in America don't even want to become pastors, because they know full fell the (new) regulations and rules will drag them away from truly ministering to their people.

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:28 PM By max
just checked their webssite and they are really growing. i still think the tabernacle looks nice and reverent, and they have obviously gone to some effort to portray the respect and awe one should have in the presence of the HOLY OF HOLIES. not everyone, though, can afford a tabernacle that costs $12,000 which is what i just found on the internet for a tabernacle that's not even terribly fancy. another was $23,000 and a bit nicer; and i just now spotted a third for $52,000 !!!

Posted Monday, July 02, 2012 1:29 PM By JLS
max, how much would you pay to feel sinless?

Posted Monday, July 02, 2012 1:57 PM By FYI
The two priests in residence may not be able to serve as pastor, due to other duties. Are they hospital chaplains, for example? Being pastor is a full-time responsibility, especially in this day and age when a lot of non-priestly stuff falls to the man in charge.

Posted Monday, July 02, 2012 5:20 PM By max
"JLS - max, how much would you pay to feel sinless?" JLS, uh, let's see, you've got me stumped. $59.95? is that the correct answer? i don't see what the cost of a tabernacle has to do with "feeling sinless." but i've got a feeling you're gonna tell us...

Posted Monday, July 02, 2012 10:04 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
I believe that Tabernacles have to be at least lined with Precious Metals, thus the high costs. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 7:48 AM By JLS
max, $59.95 is the exact cost of a jug of mountain stilled San Manzanillo tequilla.

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