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BREAKING NEWS – Obamacare upheld

Supreme Court says Affordable Care Act is constitutional


In a complicated ruling that initially confounded legal experts, a divided U.S. Supreme Court this morning upheld the federal Affordable Care Act, popularly known as Obamacare.

In a 5-4 decision written by Chief Justice John Roberts, who joined with the court’s liberal wing, the court held that a controversial provision called the “individual mandate” that requires all Americans to buy health insurance is constitutionally permissible under Congress’ powers to impose taxes.

The “individual mandate” may not be imposed under the constitution’s interstate commerce clause, but can survive as a tax, the court ruled.

The four dissenting justices said the Affordable Care Act “exceeds federal power.”

The federal healthcare measure was signed into law by President Obama in 2010.


READER COMMENTS

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:00 AM By Laurette Elsberry
One more step to increase the power and scope of the federal government. Very soon we will no longer be a Constitutional Republic but will be a socialist slave country under the various "mandates" of Emperor Obama and the "one-world order" cabalists. Who to thank for this final step? Catholics and their Church bureaucrats and hierarchy who voted this monster into office.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:02 AM By MD
This is horrible. This is what happens when we elect a Marxist who hates God, the Church, human life, the dignity of life and freedom. Sadly, Obama will probably be re-elected to appoint more Marxist judges to the bench unless we as Christians start rallying to defeat the culture of death in November. God Love You.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:23 AM By PETE
Search SCOTUS and for the Supreme Court decision. The best way to OVERTURN Obamacare is to VOTE against not only President Obama, but all those in the HOUSE and SENATE who supported this immoral bill. Nothing can be overturned as long as immorality remains in the Senate or the House or the Presidency.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:28 AM By OSCAR
It's all in whom we voters put into office. Let's not listen to the "talking heads" who put their own political slant on TV and follow the talking points of the Obama Administration. Instead let us check public voting records, public actions and public statements of all those on our ballots. We can repeal Obamacare with a new President and mostly a new Senate.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:39 AM By MAC
And who voted for the EVIL politicians who supported Obamacare in the first place ? ? ? Evil begets evil and more evil.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 9:47 AM By Brian S.
Folks should consider this decision when evaluating if we are "one-vote away" from an overturn of Roe v Wade, or not. Note that the deciding vote on this case was appointed by George W. Bush.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:23 AM By Truly Disheartened
This is HORRIBLY WRONG!!! Just another victory for ol' satan!! This is why I have trouble comprehending that he was "supposed" to be defeated at the Cross. If so, why does he keep winning victoriously with every UNgodly law, and never got locked up in Hell where he truly belongs?!!! Go figure....?! Now I have thoughts that God must be punishing this nation for its continuing UNgodlessness! May He have Mercy on us!

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:25 AM By Sue
PLEASE be sure you VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!! He indicated he'll overturn this monster when he's president....at least we still have a tiny sliver of hope...?

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:34 AM By Canisius
The flame of Liberty has been extinguished ,,,an uprising is our only option

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:38 AM By Abeca Christian
So what do we do now? This government should be torn down, it has too much power and the freedom that we once had is becoming null and void. God have mercy. I hope we can fight this. We must not comply!

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:52 AM By Susanne
@ BrianS. You sound like a member of the Democrat party or a OWS protester. Blame Bush nonsense! Why don't you blame the liberal socialist bishops, priests, nuns on the bus and the contracepting union drone laity. Chief Justice Roberts is supposed to be a catholic? He probably was taught by these nut case nuns on buses.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:03 AM By Juergensen
The posh USCCB building in Washington DC must be rocking.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:08 AM By Juergensen
MAC asks: "And who voted for the EVIL politicians who supported Obamacare in the first place? ~ Respected EWTN News Chief Raymond Arroyo stated after the 2008 election: "The bishops I spoke to say that maybe half of their brother bishops, if not more, voted for Obama." That makes sense. Slightly over half of "Catholics" voted for Obama too. Sheep following their shepherds.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:17 AM By newguy
sorry, but if you believe voting will make any difference, you are sadly mistaken. First of all, the majority of americans were against the HHS and yet it was vorted in by your elected politicians ( I don't say elected representatives). The majority of those who are in office lack the will to rescind even if they could. Sadly, I believe the majority of our ruling class favor the HHS. Merely look at the so called "Catholic" members of our government. Sebelius, Pelosi, Justices Kennedy, Alito, Sotamayor, Roberts. Pah....

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:19 AM By Francis
I had no idea that Justice Roberts is a Marxist and a Socialist of socialist slavery. I thought he's a nice Catholic guy. Isn't it interesting that a majority of the Court's Catholics dissented, and all the dissenters are Catholic. If we can just get a 100 percent Catholic court, they would rule justly!

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:34 AM By peter
What?! This is great news - the right to health care for all!

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:39 AM By I.J.D.
Catholics wake up! Stop voting democrats to office! We need to hold the other elected officals to a higher moral standard. join the rosary crusade this October, this is our only hope. I.J.D.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:21 PM By Larry
This development is gravely worrisome because with today's decision and the Arizona decision, the U.S. Supreme Court has expressed a shocking "hermeneutic of discontinuity" with our country's legal-constitutional heritage going back to the founding fathers. Essentially, the majority has ruled that: a) the federal government can order each and every one of us to do anything it wishes, and we must obey, and; b) it may forbid the states from doing anything which the federal government, at any given moment, does not want the states to do. This is NOT the relationship the founding fathers thought they were setting up with the Constitution--in fact, it is the exact opposite of what they intended, which was limited federal power and states' rights. We now operate under a principle of federal supremacy and state subservience. We are tonight on the same trajectory of the Commonwealth of Rome. It started out as a kingdom, progressed to a republic of laws and elected public servants--then converted into a military dictatorship which became more and more gross, bloated, greedy, oppressive, arbitrary, lawless and detested until it fell to pieces, returning much of Europe to anarchy and primitive conditions for the next thousand years. If we retain President Obama, we are on the fast track to such a collapse. If we replace him with Romney, and if he keeps his promises, then we will be on a slower track towards dissolution, but the end result will be the same because we now have an emperor. That emperor is the federal government collectively.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:35 PM By Larry
(cont'd): Regardless of how we feel about Romney, it's abundantly clear that we have no choice but to vote him into office in November. If he keeps his promises (never a safe assumption with presidents-elect) that will remove a huge disaster-in-the-making with Obamacare, but nonetheless, the principle that we are all subjects of the Federal Emperor has been set and will remain. Whether the Imperial power will, at any given moment, spring from the Supreme Court, the Congress or the President, collectively Washington is now a national, not merely federal government--and America is an Empire, not a union of sovereign states--with subjects, not free citizens any longer. Under Romney, it may turn out to be a benign emperor--but future presidents, Congresses and Supreme Courts will no doubt seek to expand the national government's power and scale back that of the states. How about a national driver's license instead of individual state versions? How about national license plates, instead of ones issued by every state? How about Washington taking over all criminal law enforcement? Why don't we consolidate all state police forces into one National Police Service? And then finally--why not just abolish the states? After all, they don't really do anything, do they? They're just a waste of taxpayer money. This kind of relationship is doomed to collapse of its own weight regardless of whatever other pressures come to bear--but it will probably also create a new secession movement which could very well lead to a new civil war in short order. How do we confront that situation? A new constitution? Amendments to the existing one? I don't know. You tell me. I'm very worried this evening.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 3:11 PM By Gregorian
It's important to note Justice Roberts' comment to the effect that this ruling is not a commentary on the merits of the laws, that the legislators should deal with that. To me, that's code for "Fix it in the legislative branch."

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:52 PM By Anne T.
There has been one victory declared today -- Archbishop Fulton Sheen has just been declared venerable -- Ven. Fulton J. Sheen.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:54 PM By JLS
If Catholics, led by bishops, refused to vote Democrat, then they could move the GOP or an upstart middle of the road party to implement Catholic goals. Get a party between the two, capture the middle.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:56 PM By JLS
Truly D, what were you thinking when you doubted Satan defeated at the Cross? Were you thinking that it was the Republican Party that hung on the Cross?

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:58 PM By JLS
There is a good reason the Fathers of the nation did not include in the Constitution that welfare recipients could vote.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:20 PM By Bob One
Now that the Supreme Court has upheld the Affordable Health Care law, our nation will have a health care system that ensures that we cannot lose our insurance coverage because we are sick, that we can choose our own doctors instead of the insurance company doctors, that we can get the health care we need and not what the insurance companies think we need. It will also spread the cost of insurance to thirty three million or more people who don't have coverage now, it will force all citizens to carry some kind of insurance of their choice so that those of us who are insured don't have to cover the cost of the non-insured using the emergency room for normal health care, etc. And we think that is bad? The plan also puts an end to the notion that that health care quality should be based on our personal wealth or ability to pay. And we think that is bad? The new law will help our country improve the outcomes of our health system, so that we are not way down on the list of countries who provide good care to their citizens. And we think that is bad? The health system in this country is about three or four times the cost of the rest of the industrialized world, and the outcomes are among the worst. Our infant mortality is abominable and can be improved. And we think that is bad? There is one bad provision, and that is the one that provides for "choice", and I wish it was not in the plan. But, that one provision should not negate the rest of the law. How is it, that our great country is one of the few industrialized nations that doesn't see good basic health care as a right rather than a priviledge? Why do we as Catholics oppose good health care for all? Our current system provides good health care for those who can afford it. How can we as followers of Christ want to deny good health care to anyone? We need to stop calling the President a marxist and other terrible names. He is trying to do what he thinks is the right thing for our people.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:26 PM By Anne T.
Bob One, I am not rich, but the last ones I want running my healthcare is a government like the one we have now that pushes the kiling of the unborn and, in many cases, euthanasia of the elderly when they get in the way.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:07 PM By Larry
Yeah, Bob One--tell that to all the Canadians who flee south of the border to get needed health care procedures here that they cannot get at home because their single-payer system is a mess. (What's going to happen to those Canadian refugees now, by the way?) Tell that to the folks in the UK who face health care rationing and are often denied care by their socialized medical system because it is not deemed cost-effective to treat certain individuals. Tell that to the small businesses and middle-class taxpayers in America who have little idea of the ruinous cost increases they're going to be facing to finance this abomination. Your whole spiel is a pipe dream.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:07 PM By live with it
everything about marxist, horrible, terrible, and bringing up about the church? People can see it's just republicans writing about it. Why are you saying that's bad when we've been moving forward since Obama went into office. We haven't dropped like it was happening before. Insurance, laws, health care.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:23 PM By Spencer
We need to quit saying that Obama will be re-elected. We have to believe that with prayer and a determined will, we can tilt the odds in our favor. It will be a mean and dirty election, but people of faith can make the difference. We must have passion, energy, and perseverance -- and we must work like mad to get this man out of office. Pray, yes, but also work!

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:44 PM By Canisius
BoB One I noticed in your post you said this.."it will force all citizens to carry some kind of insurance of their choice " Force being the keyword the Government is now forcing its citizens to do something it may not want to engage in. And you think this is a good thing...You sir are statist all glory to the state huh Bob, I depise your opinions,, and yes this vile little man in the White House is a marxist pig, God in heaven this man must be defeated and this law repealed... Its people like you BoB they live of people like me and call it "fairness"

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:55 PM By steve
america is counting on the strength and influence of the catholic vote. i am not catholic but i understand perfectly that the winner of 9 out of the last 10 elections carried the catholic vote. your contribution towards unseating this lying, arrogant ,un-Godly president is vital. i too am a believer. that much we do have in common. but the war this president is waging against ALL believers needs to be stopped DEAD IN ITS TRACKS. i will be praying for all catholics across this great country to stand tall and let your collective voices be heard. i covet your prayers as well because the one thing we DO have in common is that we love the Lord and we both love religous liberty. be not weary in well doing. God bless all of you and God bless this GREAT country.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:52 PM By Marie
Bob One, what have you been smoking?

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 9:06 PM By FrMichael
Damn, we just hit the iceberg and SS America is in a world of hurt. IMHO Romney is a lousy candidate, but politically speaking, what choice do we have? Now that the Supreme Court has folded, this election just became the last chance to return some semblance of the rule of law to the US. The Federal Government thinks it has the power to declare Catholic entities non-Catholic, can dispossess people of their property to increase the property tax income, can infinitely detain US citizens without habeas corpus, can have the CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE UNITED STATES REWRITE a law that turns a "penalty" into a "tax" against the intent of Congress, and has condemned 50 million Americans to death since 1973 under another atrocious pair of Supreme Court decisions. Folks, you might want to start reading the minor prophets of the Old Testament to get a taste of what it means to live under tyranny and oligarchy.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 9:27 PM By Brian S.
"one more justice" is the carrot the Republican party has held in front of the nose of pro-life voters for over thirty years. So if pointing out the futility of that makes me sound like a commie or an "OWS" protester, so be it. The sooner Catholics and other pro-life voters stop being Republican patsies, the sooner politics can improve in this country.

Posted Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:35 PM By JLS
Bob One, just make yourself comfy on your sofa, and live in your TV set. Take your meds. Don't strain yourself. Trust in the govt, which knows best. Call up "Uncle Joe" (Stalin) each sunday and thank him for explaining how the govt is meant to run your life. Worship your sense of wellness; after all, pain and suffering were all done away with by the work of the Cross. God means for us all to live lives of absolute pleasure and comfort, so cast reason to the wind and clamor for comfort. Don't worry about things you do not understand, such as facts of life. Just smile and know that conscience numbing meds are only a govt away. When that sponge of vinegar and morphine are put to your lips on Judgment Day, chomp down dude, chomp down ... it's your Heaven.

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 4:34 AM By Juergensen
Since Obamacare is a "tax", as the Supreme Court has just ruled, then the Catholic Church, a 501(c)(3) tax exempt organisation, is exempt from Obamacare, no?

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 5:03 AM By SANDRA
The next President may appoint one or two Supreme Court Justices due to the current age of a few members. Get out and work to get rid of OBAMA and his supporters in the SENATE and HOUSE who voted for Obamacare. Nothing can be overturned without the support of the House and Senate. If you can, contribute financially to good candidates. Volunteer to work in their campaign offices. In addition, please review on the internet "WORTHINESS to RECEIVE HOLY COMMUNION, General Principles" by Cardinal Ratzinger, remembering that there is nothing proportionate in the USA to the murder of 1 million babies each year.

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 5:18 AM By PAUL
BobOne, Obama is a marxist. By his own actions he wants to make the Federal Government Supreme and controlling in everyone's life. The DEVIL is always in the details. 1) Most House and Senate members who voted for Obamacare did not read the bill. 2)Healthcare decisions will be made by appointed bureaucrats, rather than a doctor and his patient. 3) Due to cost, the government will determine if a human life has value to society and is worth saving or medical care is appropriate - hence death panels. 4)there is no protection against violation of conscience in Obamacare. 5)Obamacare is not only for those who can not afford insurance, but allows for the complete socialization of our medical system. 6)Abortions, contraceptives, and abortafacients will be paid by all US taxpayers. 7) Obama does not respect life as he has proven by his support of murdering almost 1 million inocent babies in the US each year, and using US tax dollars to push abortion in conjuction with US foreign aid and US pro-abortion and euthanasia activities in the United Nations. Obama is not a nieve and innocent or good person. He is intelligent and evil. Obama knows exactly what he is doing.

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 5:25 AM By Sue in soCal
This ruling and its written decision was not complicated but incoherent. The bottom line is a huge expansion of government power through taxation (there are apparently no fines anymore). My question on Chief Justice Roberts, since he wrote this decision unfounded on any Constitutional provision regarding taxes, is what do they have on him that he didn't want made public? It's the only explanation I can come up with for this mishmash reasoning.

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 5:31 AM By JMJ
Bob One: you are living in a dream world. Come to Mass. and see just what Romneycare has done to our state, our health and our pocketbooks. Don't get sick or injured as your dream will become a nightmare. Obama is doing what he wants and he doesn't care about what happens to the people, just as long as fools such as yourself will vote for him. He is not a Marxist, he is the worst of all evils that ever has walked on this planet, excluding his father, the devil, and this new evil that includes Marxism, Socialism, Fascism and Communism is now called OBAMANISM!!! +JMJ+

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 5:36 AM By JMJ
JLS: your mind is slipping. We didn't have welfare, "health care", or any other handouts until the Democrats took over the country and made us their slaves. The early Americans took care of themselves, and Congress was made up of real, honest hard-working men; now it is filled with criminals disguised as politicians. +JMJ+

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 8:16 AM By Nightingale
Bob One, you're living in a dream-world. Time to wake up! Our health care is now firmly placed in the hands of bureaucrats. You think insurance companies are bad, just wait until a government panel tells you what you can or cannot do in your life. They will dictate what drugs and procedures you will be allowed to get. Countries with socialized health care are coming apart at the seams because it is unsustainable. You say infant mortality in this country is abominable?? Did you know that other countries do not count babies who die before the first year of age? We, on the other hand count all babies from birth. That is why the numbers are skewed. And do you know why our health care costs are so high? Because we care for patients that other countries would let die. And our drug companies are forced to give huge discounts on medications to socialized countries. We pay for all that. Did you know that poor people have access to free health care in this country?? YES they do!! I work with scores of people that don't have health insurance, but they don't like those low-cost clinics. They want the fancy doctor's office in the upscale neighborhoods, but they don't want to pay! Well those upscale doctor's offices will all disappear under Obamacare. You are seriously misguided into thinking that Obamacare will be the equivalent of everyone getting a Blue Cross PPO; in reality it will be the equivalent of everyone getting Medi-cal/Medicaid. Good luck with that!

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 10:11 AM By JLS
Well, FrMichael, it is not hard to see why the govt would not view the Church as anything special. What is it that the govt would see when trying to make heads or tails out of it?

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 10:19 AM By JLS
JMJ, what you said is the point I was making. Good thing you clarified my attempt at satire. Slipping of my mind? I'll have to attribute it to one too many sessions of jump style shufflin' moves.

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 11:00 AM By Juergensen
So now the federal government can require every American to drive a GM vehicle, with failure to abide by such dictate resulting in the imposition of an annual "tax" of $3,000. Right, Mr. Roberts?

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 11:34 AM By jp
Call it what it is, thanks to the chief justice, "Ro-bamacare."

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 12:50 PM By Francis
Nightngale: What are the other countries "do not count babies who die before the first year of age?" This is worth knowing, and I've never heard of it! In fact, what I've read (google "abortion rate" for example) is that many countries, especially in Europe and Latin America, have much lower abortion rates than the USA does.

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 3:04 PM By JLS
Bob One seems like he's on sort of a spiritual life support, but at an early stage of repair. He might do well to consult with max, who seems as he's been on it for decades and knows the ropes.

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 4:25 PM By PETE
Has anyone read the US Constitution lately? See Article I, Section 7. "All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as other Bills. Obamacare orignated in the Senate. Therefore it is an illegal tax if a tax at all.

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 5:24 PM By JLS
Francis, what Nightengale says about some regions not counting babies who die early on is traditional. Say, you're also traditional and you didn't know this?? Wow!! Did you know, Francis, that the lifestyle common to the USA is not common among several billion in other geographical regions? This news may be difficult to you, so just take some deep breaths and try to stabilize yourself.

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 5:31 PM By Nightingale
Francis, see the National Review article dated September 14, 2011, entitled "Infant Mortality: A Deceptive Statistic by Scott W. Atlas. Sorry, but I was not allowed to provide you the direct link. I was surprised too by what I have been reading on the skewed numbers; the headlines we read are highly manipulative and suspect. Now I know what is meant by the phrase "lies, damn lies, and statistics."

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 8:34 PM By Bob One
OK! I get it. A lot of people on this sote do not agree with me that the Affordable Health Care Plan is a good thing. The nice thing about our country is that we can disagree without going to jail, etc.. On the other hand, I don't think that I have ever experienced the hatred for our country and its leaders that has engendered on this thread. Do we really hate the country that much? Do we really hate the President that much? I the answer is yes to either question, I have to wonder if we will survive as a nation. Can't we just put forward our viewpoint without resorting to name calling and the lack of civility. Our's is a country of laws. We should be arguing the law, not calling people names. We are a nation with three branches of government: Legislative, Executive andf Judicial. In the case of this law, it was passed by the Legislature, signed by the Executive and upheld by the Judicial. That is pretty much the way the system was designed. Now, to set the record straight, there are provisions of the law that I don't like. But, the intent is right, in my opinion. We can argue about the details, but just calling people names doesn't solve anything. Let's argues the issues. Tell the rest of us if you are opposed to free preventative health care for Americans: annual check-up, mamograms, etc. Are you opposed to the idea that pre-existing conditions can't prevent you from getting insurance? Are you against kids being on their parent's insurance until age 26? Are you opposed to the idea that everyone in the country should have basic health care? These are not Marxist ideas. This law is not supported be a super-majority of people, but at the time, neither was Social Security or Medicare. But, today all pension plans and retiree benefits are built around these two laws. It is what allows people to retire with dignity. I would be interested to know what is so terrible about this law. Without mame calling, please.

Posted Friday, June 29, 2012 9:37 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
10:23 AM By Truly Disheartened, Satan was defeated by the Cross because when Christ died he went into Limbo and opened the gates of Heaven for those souls and for all souls who choose to follow him, even unto martyrdom if necessary, and it may become necessary in this Once the Land of the Free and the Brave. Viva Cristo Rey! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:05 AM By AH IV
Repeal the mandates on Obomney care, car insurance, home insurance, all government taxes on everything, burn the Constitution, wipe our butts with the Declaration of Independence, and become the Tea Party of The Fourth Reich. That should send those damn liberals to Canada where they really deserve to live!

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:29 AM By Brian S.
None of you have accepted the invitation to explain if Roberts' saving of Obamacare affects your confidence in him to overturn Roe v Wade. Why not, since you cite Supreme Court votes as the reason to carry the water for the Republican party?

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 10:41 AM By Catherine
Notice how Bob One used the misleading words "Affordable Health Care Law." Bob One is not living in a dream world. Bob One is really just testing the water to see how many of us are living in a dream world that will view Obama as a great and caring hero. Bob One is the same poster who has gone out of his way to mock pious traditions and devotions. Bob One is the same poster who wrote words of great adulation for the ACLU. The ACLU's goal is to remove the words, "In God We Trust." Bob One also ran interference for the decisions that support placing the Tabernacles behind walls or hidden in side chapels. Bob One is the poster who stated, "It is the bishop's "pleasure" to place the Tabernacle wherever the bishop wants." Now Bob One is introducing his next indoctrination. "We need to stop calling our President a marxist. He is trying to do what he thinks is the right thing for the people." Just like Obama, Bob One knows what he is doing too. Calling this frightful decision, "The Affordable Healthcare law" reminds me of abortionists who remove the freedom of the right to life and then call this legal procedure *the evacuation of contents,* the best thing for the mother. The Blessed Sacrament is the Source and Summit of our Catholic Faith, and blessed is the fruit of Mary's womb. When the Bob One's of the world praise Obama, praise the ACLU who despise the words "In God We Trust" and they praise lead shepherds for evacuating or removing the Tabernacle from the most prominent location in the Church, then we are the ones who are in the dream world and we need to wake up.

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 1:23 PM By Abeca Christian
Affordable? Proof to us that it is affordable. Plus any health care that covers abortion is not health care!

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 1:43 PM By OC-101
The health care law: Preventive care --including mammograms for women and wellness visits – are available at no charge for everyone on Medicare. 54 million Americans gained better preventive service coverage through their private health insurance plans. By August 1, 12.8 million Americans will benefit from rebates provided by their insurance company because the company spent too much of their premium dollars on administrative costs or CEO bonuses. 6.6. million young adults were able to sign up for coverage on their parents’ plans, including 3.1 million young adults who would have been uninsured without the law. 5.3 million people with Medicare who hit the prescription drug donut hole saved $3.7 billion on their prescription drugs. Insurance companies can’t drop your coverage because you got sick and made a mistake on your application. Nearly 16 million Americans who purchase insurance in the individual market are no longer at risk of losing their insurance. Insurance companies can no longer limit the amount of coverage you can receive in a lifetime. Nearly 105 million privately insured American can now live with the security of knowing that their coverage will be there when they need it the most.

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 1:59 PM By Canisius
First BoB One I dont hate the Country, the government is what I truly despise and that includes the fraud in the White House. Second the this horrendous law give congress UNPRECEDENTED POWER to TAX ANYTHING IT DEEMS NECESSARY.. HOW IS THAT A GOOD THING??? You use another phrase that the Left uses when confronted with opposing views "lack of civility" well I tend to get hostile when the government criminal class can take away my personal liberty in the name of "fairness" another catch all phrase that you Bob and the rest of the Left uses. See Bob we I dont like your view point and probably would not like you either. Your views reflect those of the most destructive generation (ie the 60's baby boomers) that has ever existed. My opinion is that the country will not survive in its current form, why this law is financially unsustainable..see is this something that grown ups must deal with not pot headed children of the 60's whose idealism got us into this mess, believing that you get anything for free or that if the government should take care of everything. We are headed to national insolvency and it will be people like you who demand that those who produce and work hard be taxed even more in the name of fairness. once that happens..My real hope is basically a national uprising against the government where we as people have right to replace by force this criminal gang,, throw most of them in jail and then go after the lapdog media. And then go after ALL liberals for everything they have to this once great Republic... @ AH IV the only thing I would burn would be the offices of MSNBC... no go back to your mothers basement until she calls you for dinner

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:09 PM By Canisius
@ Bob one more response to your questions: Let's argues the issues. Tell the rest of us if you are opposed to free preventative health care for Americans: annual check-up, mamograms, etc. Yes because it IS NOT FREE, it will be picked up by the taxpayers and that tax will never stop growing... Are you opposed to the idea that pre-existing conditions can't prevent you from getting insurance? No however the government should NOT be able to dictate who and what kind of rules private companies should have... Are you against kids being on their parent's insurance until age 26? yes, anybody that still living at home at age 26 is just lazy its another ploy by this criminal gang to keep people on the government dole for as long as possible Are you opposed to the idea that everyone in the country should have basic health care?.... If this was the laws intent then why not just expand Medicare, why another government monstrosity, reason the intent of the law to take over 1/6 of the economy by the government so more money and power flows to Washington DC These are not Marxist ideas...Wrong yes they are This law is not supported be a super-majority of people,,,Lets be clear a Majority of the People OPPOSE THIS LAW and they Shoved down our throats anyway... How is that FAIR Bob????? Revolution from the Right and where personal liberty is once again enshrined is what this country need right now..... Arrest this gang in Washington...

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:15 PM By Canisius
I have question for you Bob One, how much your personal liberty are willing just to hand over to the bureaucrats in DC. Huh??? How much??? Get this straight Obama and Pelosi are marxists who will in time unless we them out of there, turn this once liberty based republic into Utopianized Welfare state, which I guess you hope happens as well...I was so angry and still am over this ruling that I was looking for a confrontation with anyone that supported it, unfortuately no one dared speak to me to support this God awful law...

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:18 PM By Canisius
@AH IV go back to OWS they just called an emergency demanding free pot....I love your statement of sending ALL liberals to Canada, I would prefer Jupiter

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:11 PM By Nightingale
Bob One, let's look at your main question: "free" health care. What's so free about it? Government health care is not free, it's just the check is written by someone else. Let's be honest here. And why should we stop at "free" health care? Why not free food? People have to eat, right? Don't they have a right to free food? What about education? They have a right to free education, yes? And what about housing? That should be provided too, no? We all used to get all of that for "free"...it was called childhood!!! Are we going to be a nation of children forever? Should we just hand over ALL of our paychecks to Uncle Sam, and let him dole it out to us as he sees fit? Dear boy, that's tantamount to slavery!! Do Catholics read their Bibles these days? Read 2 Thessalonians 3:11,12: people need to get back to work; less hands out, and more hands to the plow. And we need to stop being so jealous and covetous of other peoples' goods. Even the most poor in this country have access to cleaner water for bathing than most of the 3rd world has to drink. We have become an ungrateful bunch of whiners; and that's not name-calling, it's just a fact.

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:23 PM By JLS
AH IV, you sound as though you fell into the cesspool; have you called for help or do you prefer swimming around in it?

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:27 PM By JLS
Brian S., the whole issue of the govt overturning Roe v Wade has been dealt with. Ain't gonna happen. There is a reason the Pope has called the bishops to holiness, but the bishops are not interested, apparently having more worthy things to do. It is holiness, btw, which enables people to rise to the will of God; however, the will to do so is not strong in our time. Week spiritual knees have put on courageous pantaloons to disguise the weakness. The Pope can see the episcopal coverup, and that is why he issued the command to get holy. Without holiness, the efforts of man and bishop are futile and worthless.

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:29 PM By JLS
Catherine, you've got quite a talent there, a blessed one in my opinion.

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:33 PM By JLS
"Evacuation of contents": This phrase calls to mind the issue on how the "abomination of desolation" is going to take place. Get rid of the Tabernacle, bring in the clowns and sodomite shows: Isn't that happening right now? A little seed of anti-faith sprouting up here and there ... but of course this can be excused by the parable of the wheat and the tares, can't it? Yet, one can wonder the fine line that may exist in a parable, and where it might be found in this parable.

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:35 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
3:05 AM By AH IV, You are one sick cookie, why are you even on this Catholic Site? God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:39 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
9:29 AM By Brian S. Apparently you are not really paying attention. I and probably others have often stated that we do not trust the so called Supreme Court! Eventually it all usually comes out, and we will find out what evil forces were put to work to swing Roberts. May God have mercy on his soul. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:43 PM By Bob One
Catherine, thanks for explaining who and what I am. I just thought I was following the teachings of the Church. The USCCB web site outlines the teachings of the church on health care. They advocate for Respect for Life, which the AHCL does not do. They advocate priority concern for the poor, whethere it gives special priority to health care needs of the pooor, ensuring that their hnealth care is quality health care. It calls for universal access to comprehensive benefits. It advocates pursuing the common good and preserving pluralism, a llowing and encouraging the involvewment aof all sectors in all aspects of health care. If we read the letters of Blessed John Paul, we note the call for health care for all as a basic human right. By the way, "Obamacare" is officially called The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, so it is not something I dreamed up. By the way Catherine, you keep track of me better than I do, I guess. But if you check back to what I said about the Tabernacle placement, I didn't advocate one way or the other. I mearly stated what the options were. Personally, I like it behind the altar, but that is my preference, not the law and I don't consider people who want it in some other spot terrible people. They just have a different opinion. Just for the record, there is no way I would vote for our current President because of the HHS ruling and his stand on abortion. I hope you are participating the fortnight for freedom.

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 4:52 PM By Abeca Christian
BRAVO Catherine!

Posted Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:03 PM By Abeca Christian
With government dependency, you have welfare, food stamps, section 8, bailouts, free abortions, free contraceptives etc etc. Don't get me wrong, we should help those in need but this faulty system of ours is costing us too much, especially a heavy burden on the middle class. But with a forced health care system to keep enabling the people and to keep supporting immoral "unhealth" care, we have to draw the line somewhere and this monster of a plan from Obama care, we must end it and stop it! I need affordable health care but I will not stoop so low to accept this plan that Obama has, it contradicts my values!

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:50 AM By JLS
Also in the list, free catastrophes.

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 8:20 AM By Francis
Nightingale: Thank you for the reference to the National Review article, I had no difficulty finding it once you pointed it out. The oft-cited statistic comparing US infant mortality rates with those in Cuba or other countries is clearly an oversimplification of facts. That article contained the interesting statement "Whether in wholly government-run health-care systems — like Canada’s, or the U.K.’s NHS — or in the mixed U.S. system, racial and ethnic minorities have higher infant-mortality rates, roughly double those of the majority." Isn't it odd that he cites exactly the reason for the Catholic Church's long-standing support (without the contraception requirement, obviously) of a national health insurance program? From the Catholic perspective, it is unjust that minority children have double the likelihood of dying, on top of having a much higher likelihood of being aborted.

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 10:54 AM By Anne T.
Bob One, for one thing, when I turned eighteen, got a job and was living in my mother and step father's home, my mother brought over an insurance agent, sat me down, and made my buying some healthcare insurance a must if I was going to live in her home. I bought it. It is a matter of priorities, first things first. Some people get a check and it is spent on drugs, sex, rock and roll, quite often because the parents live or lived the same way. Others get a check and spend it wisely. Nothing is ever going to change that. There will always be poor as Christ said,some through no fault of their own and some because they have lived unwisely. It is the former that we should worry the most about. Perhaps if the others are allowed to "hit their bottom", they will finally wise up. As for what I think about the healthcare in this country, I have already let both the Republican and Democratic parties know in various ways.

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:07 AM By Bob One
In Pacem in Terris the Pope began that encyclical with a list of rights, the first set of which pertained to the right to life and a worthy standard of living. Included in these rights were the right to "food, clothing, shelter, medical care, rest and finally the necessary social services. The Catechism of the Catholic Church #2258 states that life and physical health are precious gifts entrusted to us by God. Concern for the health of its citizens requires that society help in the attainment of living-conditions that allow them to graow and reach maturity: food and clothing, housing, health care, basic education, employment and social assitance. More recent Popes have built on the notion that health care is a right and not a priviledge. For those who believe that its every person for themselves, they are violating the teachings of the church. Our basic health insurance format in this country is based on employer paid/sponsored plans. The problems is that when a person looses their job, they lose their insurance. Today, more than how many tens of millions of people are our of work? Out of work = no insurance, except Medicaid. People over 65 rely on Medicare because companies for the most part have eliminated retiree health plans. Our current plans are very expensive, because they use a fee for services approach rather than an outcome based approach. Expensive tests are ordered because the doctors are afraid of being sued. We spend more to keep people alive in their last three month that we do all of the rest of their lives. We consider death an option. We could reduce our medical cost dramatically if we started paying providers for keeping healthy. We could start with annual physicals, vaccinations for the kids, medicine when they get sick, neighborhood clinics as a source of simple medical problems rather than sending everyone without insurance to the emergency room, the mose expensive medical care available.

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:12 AM By Anne T.
And the govenment, Bob, is not my parent, they have no right to tell me to pay for someone's else's abortion or the Birthcontrol Pill, which is often an abortifacient. They have no right to force me or anyone else to break his/her conscience, unless they are harming someone else. I have never encouraged or forced a Muslim to drink alcohol or eat pork, or a Jew to eat pork or forbid them to circumcize their sons, or a Jehovah's Witness to pledge to the flag. I expect the same treatment in return.

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:38 AM By Anne T.
Bob One, what I am saying is that in a country such as ours, people need choices. The last thing we need is a one size fits all govenment ran program, and that is, I fear, where we are headed. My family has always had medical and dental care when they needed it. Sometimes it was through paying for insurance from our own pockets. Sometimes it was from paying the doctor from our own pockets and getting a tax decduction. Sometimes it was from state or city ran facilitities when we were poorer. Sometimes it was from our job related insurances. And, quite frankly, sometimes it was from using Lourdes Holy Water on my daughter's wart when the doctor did not do a good job, and I did not have the money to take her to another one. At least twice over the years it diappeared and has not come back since the last time through just prayer.

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 12:53 PM By Anne T.
Abeca Christian, I am with you. I do no want to sell my birthright for this mess of pottage.

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 1:39 PM By Canisius
Abeca, the entire point of the Obama administration and democrats in general is to get as many people as possible dependant on government so they can have a completely loyal voter base. People like Bob One are fooled to believe that this is compassion,

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 2:11 PM By OSCAR
Bob One, the USCCB is not the Church Magisterium. For teachings of the Church read your CCC. Jesus said we must help the poor, not millions of freeloaders. So open your own wallet and donate to those truly in need - who are mentally or physically unable to help themselves. I also urge you to read St. Paul's letters - 1 Thess 4:12 - Be dependent on nobody; and 2 Thess 3:10 - If any one will not work, let him not eat. Then go to your CCC #2411 which requires people qnd governments to pay their debts - without which no other form of Justice is possible - per Church teaching. When was the last time you heard Bishops telling governments to pay their debts?

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 3:05 PM By Catherine
Bob One, You wrote, "I thought I was just following the teachings of the Church." Bob, Could you please tell me the specific Church teaching that instructed you to use several posts to mock your fellow Catholics for holding on to Holy Scripture and tradition? Many of Christ's beloved bishops also initially thought that Obamacare showed concern for the poor. Now they too realize that you cannot separate God's Laws to achieve a good. In other words, you cannot tap dance with the devil to achieve a good. St. Augustine said, "Before the devil can destroy you, he must first deceive you." Yes, many of our beloved bishops and fellow Catholics were initially fooled into thinking that Obama's social justice claims to help the poor and needy were in lockstep with the Catholic Church. Obama lied. Hindsight is a painfully tragic way to lose religious freedom and this ultimately proves St. Augustine to be correct. Thankfully our beloved bishops are now uniting to stand up for religious freedom. Our Holy Father has asked our bishops to become holy. Do our bishops truly know what the Holy Father means? Holiness encompasses the virtue of humility. The reason that Pope Benedict has asked our bishops to become holy is very simple. Holiness is 20/20 when it comes to accurately viewing God's Law's over the flaws of man's law. Like the differing opinions of bishops on the placement of the Tabernacles, our bishops also had a difference of opinions on Obamacare too. This lack of unity is what has caused us to be in such a terrible mess. Bob, Do you think that for one split second the precious babies who are daily murdered in the womb would agree with this title. "The *Patient Protection* and Affordable Health Care Act?" Were those "patients=babies" protected? I would like to thank you though Bob One for leading by example in your 3:43PM post by informing *all* fellow Catholics that Obama will not receive your vote. Barack Obama should not receive or ever have received the Catholic vote.

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:08 PM By Abeca Christian
Canisius yes I agree. In my yet to be humble opinion, I think that being free is being free from government too! I agree Anne T I don't want my money to go to pay for others immoral choices. Like I said before, I believe in helping those in need but abortion is not helping anyone, it is killing, contraception only encourages sex outside of marriage, sex change operations should not be covered, they are not health care. If my taxes pay for dental care, hearing aids for those that need them, if it helps check with exams and such, then fine but the other stuff, no way. I don't know how an ordinary person such as myself can stop this monster of Obama care. It's a helpless feeling, maybe it'll cover a therapist to help us get over the fact that the government is taking away our religious freedom!

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:33 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
To sum the issue up in few words, when the government steals from us through taxation, there are few, if any graces gained, and few of the poor are actually helped. Instead many fat bureaucrats are fed and fed well. When the people give of their own free will to a worthy cause, many Graces are gained. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:44 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Canisius, 1:39 PM, Once again you have hit the nail right on the head! When a politician gets support from whomever or whatever, they are expected to repay that support by favors; when a constituent gets favors from a politician, well you must get the picture! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 9:03 PM By JLS
I did a quick research today on Mexican political parties, thinking such knowledge might give me some insight into why such a large portion of Mexican Americans vote Democrat: All the Mexican political parties are socialist. But why do half the US bishops vote Democrat? Maybe they've never tried to do anything on their own and see everyone as needing govt to orchestrate their lives.

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 9:38 PM By JLS
Governments pay their debts by going to war.

Posted Sunday, July 01, 2012 9:48 PM By JLS
Bob One, did you wear a monacle in another life, and click your heels while enunciating in a thick accent, "I vass only wallowvingk ordeurs"?

Posted Monday, July 02, 2012 9:03 AM By Dana
When the government takes on the role of 'compassionate giver' it has automatically usurped the individual's free will by forcing its citizens to give money via taxation to causes they often morally object to. The gov't should have never been allowed to form the welfare state. Look at the consequences! Fatherless broken homes, multiple illegitimate children to increase welfare checks, the evils of an inhumane gov't sponsored state...and this so-called health care bill does nothing but compound these problems. Where is the money for all this nonsense to come from? ( no one even knows what is in this monster bill) A democratic congress passed this hideous behemoth and they should have to pay for all the consequences of it out of their own pockets. Let the 'oh so caring' movie stars like sean penn pay for it out of his millions. Tax susan sarondon,and her ilk to the teeth since they think it's such a good idea. Let them live like souless victims in government ghettoes and see how they like it. Take away their personal jets and expensive cars to pay for these programs and other 'charitable' activities, like forcing condoms on our children, homosexual sex 'ed' in schools, et al. Let them pay for it and let their children share in it. Those who are against immoral programs should not have to pay for them. I say whoever believes in these things, such as abortion, should have to take part in them themselves. They're the ones who say "Oh, I would never have an abortion myself, but I think other people should be free to have them" . If you say it's what other people should be doing then you should be doing them yourself too. Following that thinking, they should be forced to pay for the consequences as well. If these truths were brought to bear, wealthy liberals would have to put their money where their mouths are, though I suspect we would see sudden mass conversions to austere simplicity or migrations to their homes in Europe. Toodleoo! (heh heh)

Posted Monday, July 02, 2012 10:36 AM By scub
This decision is due in large part to the urging of our Bishops for the government to take care of charitable things that the Church should have been taking care of all along. In a free society, The Church has the responsibility for taking care of social ills. However, for many decades, the church has been abdicating this role and spending our charitable dollars to lobby for our free 'capitalistic' (profitable) government to subsidize social concerns. So, when the government (through unguided politicians & judges who profess to be "Catholic") does what the church has advocated for - Socialism - (including abortion, etc.) then we're upset.... We need to impeach our Bishops.

Posted Monday, July 02, 2012 10:47 AM By Brian S
Folks who think the current health care system in this country is good probably don't use it much. If you aren't going to grasp the problem, your solutions aren't going to be accepted by those who do. But tell me why Obamacare (government-mandated health care insurance) socialist if Medicare (government purchased health care insurance) and Veterans' Hospitals (health care delivered directly by the government) are not? Or maybe Medicare and the VA are commie plots. Looking for answers here.

Posted Monday, July 02, 2012 10:58 AM By Nightingale
Francis, too bad the Catholic church uses the racial disparity in infant mortality to jump the wrong conclusion, in favoring a national health plan. I found the following from a New York Times article by Timothy Williams dated Oct. 14, 2011: "Recent studies have shown that poverty, education, access to prenatal care, smoking and even low birth weight do not alone explain the racial gap in infant mortality, and that even black women with graduate degrees are more likely to lose a child in its first year than are white women who did not finish high school. Research is now focusing on stress as a factor and whether black women have shorter birth canals." So without proper data analysis our church leaders have led us down the garden path to national health, when access to prenatal care is probably not the issue. And national health will lead to more, not less access problems, and rationing. Sigh.

Posted Monday, July 02, 2012 2:52 PM By Brian S.
Impeach Bishops - that's a good one. Martin Luther would approve of that, along with Call to Action.....

Posted Monday, July 02, 2012 8:35 PM By Cole Thornton
The devil is the father of lies. This so-called health care bill was sold by lies, was ushered through Congress by lies, Kagan lied about her involvement as solicitor general protecting this legislation so she wouldn’t have to recuse herself, and according to reports Roberts either lied to the 4 dissenting justices or he lied to himself. The only person who told the truth was the aged congressman from Dearborn Michigan who told an interviewer that it would take some time for Obama/HHS to write the law’s regulations “in order to control the people”. So why not call this monstrosity what it really is, DEVILCARE. Finally the USCCB has 3 things it wants congress to change about Devilcare, but mostly the bishops are very supportive of this legislation. Most bishops follow the old axiom “the end justifies the means” especially since I have heard NONE of them concerned about the lies used to get this thing through. As Sarah Palin said “Obama lies and freedom dies”.

Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 9:17 AM By Brian S
The notion that our nation's freedom depends upon the ability of doctors to bankrupt sick people and their families is ridiculous. Yes, this law is objectionable, but the Church has never opposed state-supported health care in principle, quite the contrary. And, judging by its support of Medicare, the VA, and various other patchwork programs covering children and others, the American people don't oppose it either.

Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 7:28 AM By JLS
Brian S, neither does the Church oppose a Rolls Royce in every garage, a 50 foot yacht in every driveway, every house big enough for that plus a private airstrip, 707, golf course etc ... What the Church opposes is fools trying to convince us all that fantasy and reality are the same thing.

Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 7:32 AM By JLS
Yes, the bishops seem supportive of many "devil care" political products, projects and programs. Why? Well, these things make for more turmoil in society and thus give the bishops something to think about on the golf course or while lounging in their mansions. If they were actually to oppose evil, then society would legislate against it, it would decrease and the bishops would get bored from shaking hands and smiling with nothing else to do.

Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 7:34 AM By JLS
Brian S., evidently many bishops have already all but "impeached" themselves latae sententiae ... why else would the Pope call them to holiness? The function of a bishop is not administrative but being holy. They are not; therefore, they are not exercising their reason for being ... ie they are already impeached, many many of them.

Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 7:37 AM By JLS
Excellent observation, Nightengale. One might also wonder why the bishops are so fixated on the latest health and medical technicalities, so called developments, and other focuses on human bodies ... and why there is so much effeminacy and homosexuality running amok in the clergy: Could there be a strange connection?

Posted Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:09 PM By Brian S
Declaring availablity to health care - which our Pontiff has repeatedly declared to be a human right - with gross conspicuous consumption is a demonstration of your fantasy, JLS.

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