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Published: July 3, 2012
Will she be removed?
Member of parish liturgy committee excommunicates herself by participating in sham ordination by Roman Catholic Womenpriests
 A member of the liturgy committee at a San Francisco parish was “ordained a deacon” on Saturday, June 23, according to the website of Roman Catholic Womenpriests. Participants in such sham ceremonies are automatically excommunicated, but the group has repeatedly rejected the ruling of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on the subject.
The event took place at Trinity Episcopal Church in San Francisco, where Olivia Doko, “bishop” of the Western Region of Roman Catholic Womenpriests, “ordained” Maria Eitz. According to the website of St. John of God Catholic Church in San Francisco, Eitz is a member of the parish’s Liturgy Committee. Now that Eitz has incurred automatic excommunication, it’s up to either Fr. Methodius Kiwale, administrator of the parish, or the Archbishop of San Francisco to determine whether she will be removed from her post on the committee.
Much of the direction at St. John of God is supplied by the church’s deacon, Brian Bromberger. The majority of the published sermons on the St. John of God website are his. Bromberger, who previously served at San Francisco’s Most Holy Redeemer Parish, led St. John of God parishioners at San Francisco’s 2011 “Gay Pride” parade.
Trinity Episcopal has long provided space to a Roman Catholic Womenpriests group called “Sophia in Trinity” for twice-monthly liturgies led by “Womanpriest” and open lesbian Victoria Rue.
Over the past 18 months CalCatholic has published a number of articles documenting the “ordination” of women who serve, or have served, in Catholic parish ministries. Maureen Mancuso, an RCIA instructor at Christ the King parish in Pleasant Hill, was “ordained” a “womandeacon” by Doko on September 18, 2011 in Santa Barbara. “Ordained” as a “womandeacon” during the same event was open lesbian Jennifer O’Malley, who had served on the Ministry to Gay and Lesbian Catholics for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. Her biography on the RCWP website notes that O’Malley “previously worked as a Coordinator of Youth ministry at a parish in the archdiocese of Los Angeles and was a program director for a national Catholic service learning program.”
According to the Autumn 2011 issue of GLOings, the newsletter of the LA archdiocese’s Ministry to Gay and Lesbian Catholics, O’Malley was one of seven persons receiving the “Lumen Christi” award at the Church of the Blessed Sacrament in Hollywood on Oct. 22, 2011 -- after she had been “ordained,” and thereby, excommunicated.
Despite an explicit warning from the Vatican that participation in such sham ordinations results in automatic excommunication, Roman Catholic Womenpriests remains defiant. Posted prominently on the group’s website is the following statement: “Roman Catholic Womenpriests reject the penalty of excommunication issued by the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith on May 29, 2008 stating that the women priests and the bishops who ordain them would be excommunicated latae sententiae. Roman Catholic Womenpriests are loyal members of the church who stand in the prophetic tradition of holy obedience to the Spirit’s call to change an unjust law that discriminates against women.”
According to a listing of “Projected Ordinations for 2012” on the RCWP website, another such ceremony is scheduled for Oct. 7 in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. No other details were provided.
Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:10 AM By Clinton
Way past time to end the ministry to Gay and Lesbian Catholics in the LA Archdiocese. Why not a Masturbaters and Adulterers ministry? It is a scandal to the Church Militant. Is Archbishop Gomez aware this occurs in his archdiocese? Then again, given the heterodox conduct at the Religious Ed. Congress, perhaps it bothers him not in the least.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:30 AM By Dan
Surprise, surprise. Blessed Sacrament is a Jesuit parish.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 3:13 AM By Dana
Doesn't it seem like these people live in a parallel universe? They aren't really aware of any traditional Catholic teachings so they had to invent their own because in their world, rules do not exist and God is just what they imagine 'her' to be. To the woman in the photo, her god has white short hair and glasses, with a dowager hump and lots of wrinkles. To the other members, their god surprisingly looks alot like them...and it would seem this god doesn't mind what they do, as long as they don't 'hurt anyone else'. Where do you suppose they go after they die? I suppose to an alternate heaven as well. As I've said before, in ages past, people who shared this view also shared accomodations in Bedlam. Nowadays, they've brought Bedlam to us and we're all expected to be Bedlamites. A few years ago it was called "I'm okay, you're okay" but I don't know what we're calling it now, but if we don't name it and claim, they'll be calling themselves 'all of us'.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 4:13 AM By PETE
1) Report this to Archbishop George H. Niederauer; (and Abp Gomez for the upconing ceremony in the LA Diocese) 2) if this does not correct the scandal, heretic and schismatic actions contact the US Papal Nuncio in Washington DC and the Vatican. When in doubt of what the Church teaches read the "Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition" which is very clear on this subject. These women can not call themselves "Catholic" but "Catholic heretics". To stop the Scandal, we must use accurate terminology.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 4:44 AM By djthomas byrnes
Why does the "abomination of desolation" Matt 24:15 and Dn 9:27 come to mind?
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 5:25 AM By JMJ
If those in charge don't remove these frauds from 'active' service, they themselves, would and should be considered excommunicated as their failure to be men of God, shows that they agree with these horrible sins against God and His Church. When we are in front of Jesus, there won't be any excuses allowed, such as "I didn't want to hurt their feelings, etc.". +JMJ+
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:15 AM By AnnAsher
Bishops should have been filing law suits all along against their use of the term Catholic.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:12 AM By max
maybe the new director of the cdf, a german, will make it more explicit that such nonsense is, in fact, VERBOTEN. such sham 'ordinations' remind me of marcel lefebvre 'ordaining' bishops in defiance of the holy see and getting himsself--and them--excommunicated by the very act. whether from the right or from the left, we have a lot of kooks making up thier own church.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:15 AM By max
guys, for some s.f. fun, check out ebenezer luthern church, which now promotes "GODDESS WORSHIP" and even holds a "GODDESS ROSARY" each week. oops -- i just search for their website, and it says nohting about luthernanism but calls itself "herchurch." oh, joy...
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:22 AM By max
"VATICAN CITY — Pope Benedict XVI fired a 52-year-old Slovak bishop for apparently mismanaging his diocese in a rare show of papal power over bishops that could have implications for U.S. sex abuse cases." --- just a bit of good news for those who think the holy father never clamps down.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:27 AM By Bob Fasanello
They can reject all they want: they are still excommunicated, and their souls are in grave danger. They need prayer, as do the priests and bishops who allow them to mock the Faith.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:28 AM By MD
Besides their actions being condemned by Rome, I would think they could see they are not in communion with the Roman Church by the mere fact that they have to hold these events at an Episcopal Church or other non Catholic church. Apparently they don’t understand what communion and being in communion with the Church. God Love You.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:34 AM By Marie
Olivia Doko should not be allowed to serve in any function of the Catholic Church because she is disobedient. It is wrong to have a woman priest.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:39 AM By Life Lady
Absence from these sham ceremonies would be adviseable for the laity. The obstinence of these people will determine their fate. I hope that we can all continue to pray for these people, it is a sad statement of their so-called "loyalty" because they are trying to say that their disobedience is "good" and we know what happens to those who do that. Very sad, and completely a demonic expression. So, stay away from their doings, people. I know that God is watching and will not be mocked by their actions. There will be His last word in all of this.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:43 AM By Robnert Lockwood
Olivia should never been appointed to the parish committee in the first place. With people like her directing the the liturgy no wonder we have so many leaving the church.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:47 AM By OneoftheSheep
"Roman Catholic Womenpriests remains defiant." In other words, they echo the words of satan: "I will not serve."
How unlike the humility of the Blessed Virgin Mary!
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 8:10 AM By Laurette Elsberry
Another "victim" of the Eve Syndrome: We shall be like God.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 8:39 AM By Jojo
Why does CalCatholic concede the title of "deaconess" to her in the title? And why is the SF Archdiocese so ambivalent in what to do with regard to her role ( and Bromberger for that matter) in the parish? How did she pop up there in the first place knowing what was know ignite status and intent? I don't get it.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 8:52 AM By Maryanne Leonard
It will be interesting to see if this defiant woman in profound error will be dealt with more swiftly than the multitudes of defiant gay men acting out in grievous error as well in this out-of-control archdiocese. I am sorry to say that we have been conditioned to believe that the woman will be dealt with, whereas the men are free to cavort gaily in loud and proud defiance of decorum and Church law. It would be a wonderful thing to be proven wrong, and to see all the miscreants dealt with as common decency and respect for our Holy Roman Catholic Church require.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 9:47 AM By OBSERVER
Was there a Pastor in Las Vegas who was railroaded by the Diocese because he would not send weekly contributions to his mother diocese in San Francisco, he would not support sodomite activities promoted openly by the San Fran Bishop, they called this mail fraud..MGB
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:01 AM By FYI
Maryanne Leonard, your concern is a valid one and brings up an interesting point. Upon reflection, I would guess that one reason women who attempt ordination are more swiftly dealt with is that such actions bring about automatic excommunication, whereas illicit sexual activity does not. The word "Excommunication" makes headlines, and such acts (e.g., the desecration of the Eucharist, abortion, 'attempted ordinatons,' etc.) grab the attention of Rome very quickly.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:22 AM By Cari
Olivia Doko is a nut. She's not all there. She used to be a member of my parish here in San Luis Obispo. I think she was a reader and a catechist. She was one of the wannabe female priestesses that used to (ugh!) conduct communion services back when we had a shortage of priests. After awhile she began wearing a stole. When the bishop learned about it she was excluded from all liturgical ministries in the diocese. A year later she was a make-believe "bishop" within her mascaraed group. Purge them all.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:26 AM By Anne T.
I stay away from churches with people like this on the committees. Why even bother to go there if the faith is not taught. You can read the catechism or the Bible and get more out of it and not have to pay a cent other than the price of the books.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:30 AM By Milton
It's embarrassing to give Maria Eitz and this sordid group so much publicity.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:30 AM By Bud
How or why our bishops are so weak and timid, I cannot fathom. Their inaction is a bigger scandal than those old ladies usurping and thumbing their nose at the Church they supossedly believe in yet insist they are divinely authorized to "play church" like little kids do! How long will these actions be tolerated at the expense of reasonably good Catholics who could very well lose what faith they have in the authority of bishops and even the curia in Rome! Wake up!
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:46 AM By Rick DeLano
Of course, nothing will be done.
For something to be done, would require courageous Catholic bishops, and the time for this has not yet come.
Things are not bad enough yet, but they will be.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 11:23 AM By Anne T.
What I was trying to say in my last post is that according to the Church teaching that I have been taught, no Catholic is required to go to a Mass where heresy (heresy not just small liturgical abuses) is being taught, and if after they have complained to the proper person, usually the bishop it does not change, and there is no other Catholic church around, no one is required to go to such a church to fulfill their Mass obligation, especially if one has children who would be taught heresy. Pope John Paul II clearly stated that the Catholic Church has NO AUTHORITY to ordain women as priests. It will NEVER be done,
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 11:31 AM By Ron
PETE: Report this to Archbishop George H. Niederauer? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 11:31 AM By FrMichael
PETE, your suggestion was a good one. My email was sent off to the Archdiocesan Office of Communications this morning.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 11:39 AM By Alice
Off the liturgy committee? Really? How about not to approach for communion?
And what's up with our "friends" at Trinity Lutheran? The same demonination in our community regularly has dissident "catholic" groups use their church for this anti-Catholic garbage! How would they like it if we brought in just anyone and "ordained" them as Lutheran ministers? Wouldn't be very neighborly now would it?
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:03 PM By Anne T.
Maryanne Leonard, I am sure there are a lot of practicing homosexual men in the group called "Catholic Women Priests". These are the very men who are "ordaining" them for the most part? Not loyal Fr. So and So down the street. You are right that they need to be weeded out.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:21 PM By Anne T.
Editor: please just leave out all my previous posts and this one. I am tired of this whole subject. That way someone else can comment. Thank you..
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:34 PM By Juergensen
It's in the Archdiocese of San Francisco. Why is anyone surprised?
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:57 PM By caroline
Condemn the woman priests all you wish but leave the ageism out of it. It hardly supports your position of loyalty to the magisterium who themselves are often derided for being old men.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 4:01 PM By Eagle Eye
If you would include the email address and phone number of Archbishop of San Francisco and the contact number for the pastor Father Methodius Kiwale at St. John of God Catholic Church then we could do something about it. It should also be reported to the Papal Nuncio.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 4:51 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Thanks, we at CRCOA, Inc. will be on the lookout to see if any of these two females are on the Religious Eduction (Dis-Education) Congress speakers' list.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 5:11 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Clinton, 12:10 AM,
You answered your own question.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 5:21 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
JMJ, 5:25 AM,
If they dare say to HIM ""I didn't want to hurt their feelings, etc.". It is pretty certain how he will reply: "Oh, you would rather hurt their chances for Eternal Life, Depart from me ..."
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:26 PM By Matthew
Some of you really don't get it. Yes Eitz should quietly be removed from the liturgy committee. But to otherwise make a big deal out of what's nothing more than a loony person makes absolutely no sense. It gives her (and her group) publicity and she's then free to play the martyr. Just ignore her until she goes away...
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:28 PM By Maryanne Leonard
Eagle Eye, your suggestion is a good one. Usually contact information such as e-mails and phone numbers can be obtained by searching for the website of the church and then clicking under Contact Us. Providing this information in a post does make it a little easier for motivated readers to get in touch with the right person readily and would prevent the time-consuming task of looking up the information online before actually following through with getting in touch with the appropriate person. Avoiding little delays like that can cause a reader to follow through right away while the impulse is still fresh in their minds, rather than deciding it's too much like work to take time to look it up, and thus not taking action. Checking out and posting the more obscure contact information on behalf of readers would definitely be especially helpful in getting the attention of the appropriate parties.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:18 PM By BUD
Catholics seem to have the power to complain directly to Rome about the closing of their parishes in Cleveland Ohio with success. The bishop was told to open the closed churches. Why not something as outrageous as nutcases declaring themselves in Holy Orders even with a lineage of some sort. Bishops refusing or ignoring the blatant actions of women supossedly in Holy Orders are simply tearing the faith of the faithful down. This is not responsible leadership of a bishop in any sense of the word. Start complaining!
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:44 PM By Theodore
IF YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY, EMAIL WON'T DO IT - EVERY NUTCASE ON THE PLANET SENDS ANONYMOUS EMAILS THAT ARE SIMPLY DELETED; SAME WITH CRANKY PHONE CALLS. USE YOUR REAL NAME AND ADDRESS AND TAKE THE TROULBE TO WRITE A REAL LETTER AND SEND IT TO:
The Most Reverend George H. Niederauer
Archbishop of San Francisco
One Peter Yorke Way
San Francisco, CA 94109
The Reverend Methodius S. Kiwale, A.L.C.P.
Administrator
St. John of God Parish
1290 Fifth Ave.
San Francisco, CA 94122
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:51 PM By Bud
For Caroline: I didn't deride anybody with what you call "ageism"; what is that? Priests retire by church rule at 75. The picture presented on this article isn't a spring chicken. But, I have seen quite a few pictures of concelebrated fake liturgies etc. by all kinds of "Priestesses" and every one of them will never see 60 again. Post menopausal syndrome??
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 11:05 PM By JLS
Nonsense, Theodore. Get your nose out of the rule book and look at reality.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 11:07 PM By JLS
She should have her hair shorn and thrown out on the steps while the great church bells are rung profusely until she runs away never to return except by first doing twenty years in a cloister with her mouth shut, except in the confessional.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 11:14 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Removed? She will probably be given an award such as the one given Jenniffer O' Malley at the sodomite friendly "Blessed Sacrament" in the Archdiocese of Lost Angels!
God have mercy on his suffering Church,
Kenneth M. Fisher
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2012 11:18 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Please people, don't belittle your intelligence by asking if Neidermaer or Gomez know about this!
I will be happy to admit that I am wrong on this given sufficient proof to the contrary.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
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Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 6:14 AM By Canisius
Another self-centered clipped hair femi-nazi, no surprises here
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Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 7:58 AM By JLS
For a brief treatise on "ageism", study what St Paul and Jesus say about it, rather tell it like it is. It boils down to, as I recall, not letting young men or old women run the Church.
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Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 8:39 AM By Francis
The ONLY place I hear anything about the “womanpriests” is here on CCD. It seems that without CCD and the amazing levels of interest by conservative orthodox Catholics who are probably even more isolated from them than I am, the womenpriests would be another obscure group that nobody knows much about, with zero influence on the Church’s future. This would be a non-story. Does anyone know any “ordinary” parishioners at St. John of God? I would be fascinated to hear if SJoG parishioners know about Ms. Eitz’ ordination. Are they happy and supportive, apathetic and disinterested, upset and complaining, completely ignorant, or what? Now that would be a real story.
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Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 8:44 AM By Francis
I’ve just gotta say I love Bud’s 7:51 answer for Caroline, which roughly translates into: “I have no idea what you’re saying about my behavior, but nevertheless I’ll continue doing more of the same and insist that I’m not doing whatever it is you say I’m doing.”
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Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 9:05 AM By Maryanne Leonard
Bud, you can't be serious. You did call them "old ladies!" That is most definitely understood in our culture as ageism, and I would add to Caroline's comment that it is both ageism and misogyny. Please don't hide behind the fact that "old" is an adjective that could apply in the case of the subjects at hand, depending on the age and perspective of the person so defining them; we all know that the phrase "old ladies" was meant to be perjorative, and thus was indeed ageism on your part. We also know that you do not consider these people ladies. Please. When someone chooses to be openly rude, crude and insulting in print, denouncing women as "old ladies," for heaven's sake, have the strength of character to own your behavior. Bud, your hand was caught, not just by your mommy, but by one and all, in the cookie jar; no sense denying it now. Adding the snide question, "Post menopausal syndrom??" to the end of your post qualifies you as a card-carrying mysogynist and an ageist. We can agree that the actions reported above are indefensible, but your own insulting, anti-woman, disrespectful writing is also indefensible. One is as one thinks, speaks, writes and behaves, Bud. It feel saddened and ashamed when a fellow Catholic thinks and writes as you have. Denying undeniable accusations and then reverting to posting statements that clearly display both ageism and misogyny does not make a credible defense. If you had displayed the courage to see the error in your thinking, or if you will take it up now, that would be to the uplifting of your heart in these matters. Consider, if you will, for a moment, how very old our beloved Blessed Virgin Mary would be by now were she still walking among us, and how sad she would be to hear her daughters so disrespected simply for being female and having lived a good while. Long life is a gift from God, Bud, and being a woman - or a man - can be a wonderful thing if one's heart and mind are well formed.
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Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 9:44 AM By Canisius
Bud you have to understand this site has a couple members of the PC thought police.. God forbid any perceived insult against the protected classes will rain down the wrath of the femi-nazi's. Don't let them get to you Bud, these are the same people who without the Y chromosome try to tell me what a real man should be. Feminism and Catholicism are in compatible
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Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 9:48 AM By Mark from PA
Thanks for your post Maryanne. I wonder if Our Blessed Mother would show compassion and mercy for the ladies and be shaking her head at those who seem to get satisfaction out of mocking and insulting women. I don't think that women should be priests, we have religious orders of women in the Catholic Church. However, there were deaconesses in the early Church and I think it would be good to have deaconesses in the Church today.
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Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 2:05 PM By max
the new director of the CDF Bishop Gerhard Müller does not seem to have any problem removing...problems: "In 2006, Müller acted to halt over 2 million Euros in Church funding to pro-abortion ‘Catholic’ groups after their dissident activities were exposed by faithful Catholic bloggers and a group called Union for the Associations Faithful to the Pope...Archbishop Müller also suppressed the Diocesan council of Lay People and thirty-three other dissident organizations."
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Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 2:10 PM By max
BUD, you have seriously riled the old ladies. TAKE COVER! and next time aim at the young gentlemen, or the middle-aged women, so we can see how each group feels about being called old, young, middle-aged, ladies, gentlemen, men, women, females, males, etc. of course in this policitcally colrrect age, some people do not even believe in using the word "woman" because it contains the word "man" and so they spell it "womyn" or soemthing similar. it's hard to know what will rile someone next. hard to know in advance, but easy to find out right away once you've written it!
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Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 2:49 PM By JLS
Francis, CCD does not live in a spyder hole, like you seem to advocate as preferable for the Church.
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Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 8:08 PM By max
"Roman Catholic Womenpriests are at the forefront of a model of service that offers Catholics a renewed priestly ministry in vibrant grassroots communities where all are equal and all are welcome. The voice of the Catholic people---the sensus fidelium---has spoken. We women are no longer asking for permission to be priests. Instead, we have taken back our rightful God-given place ministering to Catholics as inclusive and welcoming priests." oh, just terrifict -- yet another group remaking the church in its own image.
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Posted Wednesday, July 04, 2012 10:52 PM By Francis
Regarding JLS 2:49: What is a "spyder hole" and how is it relevant to something I wrote? Is this one of your "carrots"?
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Posted Thursday, July 05, 2012 4:11 AM By MIKE
max, this is why Holy Scripture - Catholic Bible, and the "Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition" should be read by all to know the truth. They should be given as gifts to help Save Souls.
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Posted Thursday, July 05, 2012 4:13 AM By PETE
Even if you suspect that sending documentation of heresy or schism to a Diocesan Bishop will do no good, it is common curtesy and part of the procedure prior to writing to the US Papal Nuncio and the Vatican. It will also not allow any Bishop to deny knowledge of the Scandal in his Diocese. :)
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Posted Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:25 AM By Canisius
PA I get a lot satisfaction mocking clipped haired mean faced pretend women...yes I don't like them for what they remind me of...
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Posted Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:27 AM By max
PETE makes sense in his 4:14 AM words about starting l9ocal first (talk to the pastor; if no satisfaction, contact the bishop; if THAT doesn't work, contactg the papal nuncio). from the name on the parish website, it looks like the administrator of st. john of god church is 0probably from africa, and thus probably quite blown away and scandalized by the stuff he's encounteredf in that parish, which is known to be over the top. they are also a very STUBBORN group who have chewed up many pastors, so this african pastor will need the support of the chancer office, the archbishop of san francisoc, etc., if he is to make any changes for the better...
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Posted Thursday, July 05, 2012 9:54 AM By Loraine
It's obvious that Olivia Doko needs attention. Humility and obedience take more courage than showing off as a self appointed goofy female bishop. If Olivia is in need of this much attention she should consider acting. I think Olivia would be a fabulous replacement, for the now deceased, Burt Lahr, as the Cowardly Lion in The Wizard of Oz. Right now Olivia is acting in the role as a disobedient and cowardly lioness.
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Posted Thursday, July 05, 2012 12:27 PM By JLS
Francis, if you're not kidding, then I'm not the one to help you.
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Posted Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:54 PM By max
the holy see was VERY public about the excommunication of marcel lefebvre and his friends when they defied the vatican and got ordained; why is the holy see not VERY public in cracking down on these peopole as well?
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Posted Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:44 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Maryanne Leonard,
According to the "Mystical City of God, Mary of Agreda" and probably the writings of Anna Catherine Emmerich, the Blessed Mother did not age past 33. Many theologians believe that the age at which Christ died for our sins,33, is the age we will all be in Heaven.
Why don't you spend more time defending the truths of our Faith, and less time defending feminism?
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
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Posted Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:50 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Mark from PA,
You know darn well that the Deaconate is just a step in the feminist movement towards Priesthood. You also know that the early church deaconesses were more like Religious women and laywomen who assisted in setting up the Altar and other various duties of love.
You are no longer fooling anyone in your pretense to be orthodox.
May God have mercy on your poor compromised soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
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Posted Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:51 PM By JLS
The world has seen countless women priests, aka priestesses over the millenia and countless of them today in all corners of the world. It's that some of these want to call themselves Catholic priests; these are the ones who have taken the devil into their souls.
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Posted Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:53 PM By JLS
max, the answer to your question is in your question already. He did not choose to effeminize along with the tide.
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Posted Thursday, July 05, 2012 11:47 PM By Maryanne Leonard
Goodness me, folks, if I thought being snide to women was part of being a good Catholic, I'm afraid I'd have to search for another faith. You who choose to deride women who stand up for ourselves in the face of discriminatory and/or insulting, anti-women remarks do not fully understand Christ's teachings on the subject of loving one another. I do not feel women should be ordained priests and do join in denouncing the actions reported in CCD, but I do feel all members of my gender should be accorded respect and dignity until proven unworthy, just as I, as a woman, do for men, until they prove unworthy. Just because the Vatican teaches that it has no authority to ordain women as priests does not indicate that insulting women as a class is a good thing for Catholic men (or women) to do. It also does not obtain that women who decry insults to their gender should be denigrated. Actually, your anti-women remarks are contrary to Church teaching, and I stand behind my posts despite the personal insults that have been published here. Remember, gentlemen, if I may so designate you, a man who wishes to be thought a gentleman and a scholar will exchange ideas rather than hurl insults when confounded by another with whom he disagrees. Ad hominum attacks, or in this case, attacks against a woman, are not only unCatholic, undignified, ungentlemanly, and insupportable, they are also evidence that your retort to your opponent in argumentation is without merit, and evidence that you have just ceded the argument to your partner in contest. I extend to you my hand in compassion for your very weak position and wish you better luck next time in insulting me effectively. I am a mere human being and can easily be bested in argumentation, but in this case, you've all just shown yourselves to be on the losing end of this exchange. All the same, thanks for the game, and sportswomanlike, I shake your hand and thank you for putting forth your best efforts, insufficient as they were.
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Posted Friday, July 06, 2012 1:09 AM By Maryanne Leonard
Canisius, your comments are nothing more than mere personal attacks, obviously aimed at me, rather than worthy thoughts meriting our consideration and debate. While your insulting posts have no intellectual merit, your comment that you "get a lot satisfaction mocking clipped haired mean faced pretend women...yes I don't like them . . ." says much more about you than about me personally or the content of my posts. I am saddened that mocking women in general or painting an entirely false word picture of a specific woman is satisfying to you. You are missing the point under discussion and floundering madly by resorting to making up insulting word pictures of someone you've never seen. God chose to make me female, and I choose to speak up for that which I see as God's truths, but those are not reasons to describe me, sight unseen, in print, as "mean-faced" and a "pretend woman." I decry CCD's decisions to publish such a baseless, worthless post. I am thankful to God that He chose femininity for me and graciously granted me, through no merit of my own, a personal countenance deeply pleasing to my devoted, faithful and beloved husband of 41 years. I am thankful that your insulting description of me does not fit, but again, this is God's doing, and no credit to me. I do not insult you personally nor describe you as ugly or a pretend man. If CCD were a beauty contest rather than a Catholic website, it is possible you might win it. Never having seen you, I cannot possibly know how attractive or repulsive you may be, nor is it of any interest whatsoever to me. As this is a Catholic website, I can posit without fear of successful contradiction that the content of your posts, filled with negative and baseless comments, would not likely be found pleasing in the eyes of God. I propose that the discussion return to the topic of the content of the article. CCD should turn away posts that are merely ad hominum attacks of other posters.
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Posted Friday, July 06, 2012 5:58 AM By Dana
My sister (who is a deeply committed Christian) said years ago that whenever you see dissension in a church just go to the center of the controversy and you will find a middle aged woman at the center of it. The woman in the picture is in my generation, and her name is legion. It always makes me laugh when American women play the persecuted martyrs. The reality is American women have always ruled the roost...and I blame these bullies for robbing this country of strong men. Most American men are way too feminist-ized for real leadership. I wish they would look to history for how men should take the helm in our culture. These women are a traitor to our sex! They despise the gentle and humble nature of Our Lady's example and feel that only by taking on traditional men's roles are they a 'success'. There is a very good reason why there are so many words like virago, shrew, harridan etc. in our older dictionaries, and just because they've censored them out of the newer editions does not mean the words are no longer applicable. All we have now is 'cow' and that is such an insult to the gentle and affectionate cows. It doesn't bother me a bit if you call these cantankerous harpies names. They are termagants and they're no different than Hillary Clinton and Jane Fonda. Their behavior is unChristlike and totally antithetical to society in their anti-life anti-family attitudes.
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Posted Friday, July 06, 2012 7:58 AM By c matt
Max - for one thing, LeFebvre was a validly consecrated bishop, ordaining men in an at least outwardly plausible method. Therefore his actions were far more serious from a heirarchical structure pov. Doko is a nobody, pretending to ordain nobodies, in a way that is invalid on its face. Hers is a complete farce.
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Posted Friday, July 06, 2012 9:27 AM By Stephie
Mary, Queen of Priests, pray for us. Mary, Mother of Vocations pray for Olivia. Please obtain for her the grace to know her true vocation not this sham from the Evil One. Mary, Queen of the Americas pray for the United States of America and your Son's Church within her. Thank you Mary most holy. Amen
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Posted Friday, July 06, 2012 11:35 AM By Catherine
Dana, Good girl! That was such an excellent post! Dana you are such a gifted writer!
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Posted Friday, July 06, 2012 11:46 AM By Patricia
If I knowing engage in behavior that is explicitly forbidden where I work, I get fired. An honest person would simply acknowledge she no longer believes in the magisterium of the Church and is therefore joining another church. End of story. I actually dislike all the attention such people are getting...does nothing but pander to whatever narcissism the person carries. Pray for the lost ones and move on.
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Posted Friday, July 06, 2012 12:22 PM By Canisius
One last thing Maryanne, the clipped haired mean faced comment was referring to the woman in the above photo, you may return to your coven now
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Posted Friday, July 06, 2012 2:27 PM By Dana
Coming from you Catherine, that is high praise indeed. I wish I had half your understanding. I'm so glad you understood that I wasn't attacking 'the sisterhood'! Sometimes I just get so tired of mannish women speaking as though for all of us, and the women who choose to serve God don't have a voice anymore because men don't defend them, but seem to have joined the ranks of the feminists in expecting their wives or women in general to take on leadership roles or to work away from the home and family.(probably out of fear of feminist backlash) I confess my husband was taken aback when I fought to stay home ...I think tending children and home is about the most exciting, fun and creative thing a woman can do. God heard my prayers and a well-paying part time teaching job opened up for me. But that's another story. Just finding God' will for us is what we all, male or female should seek...not my will but Thine. If only these poor women (and Matt, they are NOT nobodies! That's what pro-abortion people say about the unborn. NO ONE is a nobody in God's eyes) would seek God's leading what a difference they could make in their own little neck of the woods. Unfortunately for us all,these little 'snags' turn into huge rents in the fabric if not tended to...may the bishops be firm. And that was really unkind Canisius, and not at all true as we all know that Maryanne is especially kind and loving. Coven indeed. Just let me find my broom and I'm coming after you! haha
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Posted Friday, July 06, 2012 4:14 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Canisius,
You could use more diplomacy in your comments without limiting their meaning! "Coven" is going way overboard!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
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Posted Friday, July 06, 2012 4:23 PM By Mark from PA
Mr. Fisher, well there were deaconesses in the early Church. You may not like that fact but it is history. Don't be angry at me because I can't change this history and neither can you. You imply that I am not orthodox, but I am a faithful member of my parish. From what you have stated, you belong to a parish where the pastor has taken on the role of bishop for his flock and does not see himself as answerable to the local bishop. (If I understand this correctly.) You try to cast me as a dissenter but you seem to dissent yourself when your bishops in California don't support your political views.
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Posted Friday, July 06, 2012 4:32 PM By Maryanne Leonard
Canisius, you are continuing to prove that you are no gentleman. Most of you reading this are confusing my stance which decries insulting women as a class and/or insulting older women as a class with outrageous acts, not of feminism, but of defiance of Church teachings and traditions. Dana, please don't confuse me with people who make me cringe, such as Jane Fonda, Hillary Clinton, or imagine that I am anti-life or anti-family. I am firmly in the pro-life, pro-family, conservative Catholic camp but still believe in treating women as a class with dignity and respect. Yes, there are countless individual men and women who have brought shame upon themselves which has splashed over onto other members of their gender, but that is no reason to denigrate the entire class of people known as women or as men. That's all I'm saying, folks, but if you go back and read what you're saying, I'm sorry, but it is not Catholic, not Christian, not kind, and not admirable to denounce women in general. I'm sure God didn't make us feminine in order for people to denigrate us. Pray tell, what purpose does it serve to do so? Could we please get back to the discussion at hand, or has the venom not yet been fully spent? It feels to me as if Satan has gotten into those of you who are spewing it out, and that is saddening too. I have not been accustomed to reading posts by Catholics who are so full of nastiness until I came to this site a few years ago; my eyes have been opened, and I am sorry that love is not what I have found flowing from the pens of my fellow Catholics in entirely too many instances. It is a shame that CCD is now choosing to post so much nastiness. I wonder what Protestants and others think of us when they read such negative venom spewing from so many of you, and against women. It astounds me that I would be accused of not loving, admiring, and emulating Mary to the best of my ability, just because I believe in equality for my gender. I will pray for you.
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Posted Friday, July 06, 2012 4:39 PM By JLS
Maryanne is out to redeem the feminists. Go girl. Maybe you'll save one or two.
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Posted Friday, July 06, 2012 5:59 PM By Shirley J. Schultz
Archbishop Jose Gomez is a wonderful bishop. Shame on whoever of you accuse him of being otherwise. He was our Archbishop here in San Antonio, Texas for 5 years before His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI transferred him to Los Angeles. Los Angeles is a huge Archdiocese. Let him know in a kind, charitable way what is going on in his Archdiocese. He will take care of it in a kind, charitable way.
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